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This poll seems to be a bit leading, but I get your point.
How about a choice in the poll for those who are outside of the sewer district but who are still paying part of the tab?
Shall I also add in options for all the people who pay for
1) the school and don’t use it?
2) the town beach and don’t use it?
3) the dump and don’t use it?
4) the library and don’t use it?
5) the [fill in whatever service you never use here] and don’t use it?
If this town wants to change over to a “pay for play” finance model, I’m all for it. Then, we’ll see how much the parents -really- care about their child’s school experience, for example. Watch the teachers and extraneous programs start dropping like flies in that model.
Everything you mentioned above (school, beach, dump, library) are available for everyone to use. Can people in town who are not getting sewers run a line to your house to connect up if their septic system fails?
Those folks should just consider it in the same light that they do for their portion of taxes that go to the school.
Please remember Ken… and this has been said over and over again…. the part of the tab that is being paid by those outside the district is also being paid by those inside the district.. i.e. outside district = increased taxes; inside district = increased taxes + debt assessment + user fees.
And have I mentioned that I voted against the sewers back in the beginning.
Yes, but why do you defend it now? Why do you want to see the people in the district forced to cough up more money than anyone else in town, for something you know is wrong and voted against?
They threaten to remove the pump electrical etc and send a bill if we dont connect….but haven’t district residents paid even if they dont connect as they are on the hook for whatever benefit assessment is levied, purportedly up to 20k, but as said before, I can see absolutely no benefit to me. Will the town issue me a property tax credit for the assessment detriment I will surely accrue?
I seriously doubt they’re going to hire the contractor to come back out and dig up pump casings and remove the electrical work, then send each homeowner a bill. That’s absurd, because, as Bill points out, we’re getting stiffed with the “benefit” assessment charge, regardless.
I mean, can you honestly see a judge agreeing with a town that puts in equipment, then takes it out, then bills you for the removal, while billing you just the same as if you had the equipment installed? That’s insanity!
At this point, I’m tired of fighting the town government. It’s very difficult to keep applying logic to a completely illogical situation. Valid questions are met with “good question” responses, and never answered. Affected townspeople are met with b.s. directed legal opinions to squash their wills. In short, I feel there’s little left that we can do as townspeople to change what Bill Black and his group of appointed WPCA members want to do, other than applying some civil disobedience.
Well — perhaps the only possible option left, other than a lawsuit, would be petitioning against any ordinance which would be put into place to apply the WPCA’s regulations. But I don’t believe the BOS are going that route and I don’t believe they have to. But, even if they did have to do it, I’m sure the king would get another legal opinion to justify why he could break (more) laws and rules.
So, they can write whatever idiotic and incoherent things they want in their ridiculous regulations, and send me whatever notices they want. And, if they want all the fats, oils, grease, hair, blood, toxins, radioactive stuff, and whatever the hell else I’m not supposed to flush, then let them issue me a discharge permit and I’ll hook right up! Otherwise, I’m not connecting unless I’m faced with jail time or losing my house. Period.
Sure, but not for nothing, chief. If they want to pay my “benefit” assessment and usage charge, I’ll run the line for them. How’s that?
Using your logic, Ken, I should pay no more than you pay. I’m being penalized because of where in town I live. Why do I have to pay more than you, for a service neither of us uses?
With this logic, the people utilizing the school, library, public beach, etc., should all be paying an EXTRA charge. Do you think the parents and library patrons would think that’s fair? Hardly. And, you expect the sewer district residents to do exactly that.
Again, there is a flaw in your logic. The sewer system is a fixed resource that is only available to certain home owners, while the school, dump, parks, library are all available to everyeone. Some have need for them and some don’t, but they are available. I used the school when I had school aged kids, but now I don’t. Some day I may use the Senior Center, but now I don’t. But I will NEVER have access to the sewer system, unless it gets expanded, which is a LONG way off, if ever.
Your point would be valid were it not for a few important details that you left out…yes the school dump etc is available to all, whether you need them or not, but the sewer is not available as an option, it is being jammed up our collective district azzes whether we want it or not, as in “required to connect” and “benefit assessments”, and to add insult to injury, the decision to inflict this municipal sodomy on us was made by people such as yourself who will never have the opportunity to be forced to shell out tens of thousands of dollars on something that most district residents neither need nor want, and by everyone else outside the district who voted yes for the referendum.
You are also forgetting that the project was high touted as a way to preserve the lake and the fact that the school’s septic system was failing. Since the school, the park, the senior center, town hall and the library will be hooked up to the system… You do have access to the sewer system if you use the facilities at any of the above forementioned!
PS: I will gladly agree to assist you with your serwe use fees when the Town arranges to assist homeowners with the cost to repair failed septic systems for homes ourside the sewer district.
This is such a tired argument, Ken, and I’ve defeated it repeatedly.
Let’s try again. Assuming usage charges remain static (which they won’t — they’ll go up), a sewer district resident will pay the replacement cost of the average septic system every 10 years.
That is through usage fees alone, which you don’t pay. We also pay the increased taxes you pay. We also pay the “benefit” assessment which you do not pay.
Point blank — there’s nothing you or anybody in this town can say that will convince me that we are getting a fair shake. We’ve petitioned our leaders, attended meetings, written letters, spoken quietly, argued loudly, and volunteered for committees. Our leaders have wasted $15,500 of our tax money fighting us with bogus legal opinions, and I and others have been classified as “sewer protesters” — negating us from gaining any foothold within the system.
So, the the only thing that will ever affect any change is the almighty buck — and the king isn’t getting mine unless he wants to throw me in the stockade or auction off my house. If even 50% of the sewer district residents do the same and refuse connection, then next year’s usage fees will be so high that nobody will ever agree to connect, leaving this town with an unfunded sewer operations and maintenance debt.
Perhaps then, the king and his WPCA will start listening.
Ken, I for one am tired of your “grand standing”. Where was the Republican party throughout this process? I’ll tell you… no where to be found. You left your Republican constituents in the sewer district high and dry. You and the Republican party abandoned them. As far as I am concerned, you have no right to voice your opinion on this blog. Wasn’t it you who said the sewer shouldn’t be used a as political tool when I asked for your “assistance” with Jack Murray’s attitude towards the sewer dictricts residents? You still wouldn’t intervene. So, my question is, why are you even on this blog?
Let’s see. This project was initiated under a Democtrat First Selectman and voted into place by the public nearly a decade ago. It is a done deal and the time to argue against it, which I did, was many years ago. The people in the sewer district are a small percentage of the taxpayers and a small number of that group is asking the general public to share the costs. Does not sound like an argument that you will convince the majority of the taxpayers is the way to go.
Yes, the project was sold as an effort to save the lake. Many people did not buy that argument ten years ago and that is one reason while the project barely passed.
As far as political input goes, not sure what you are looking for. Do you think that anything that the Republican Town Committee says now is going to change things? You are just throwing rocks. Again, the time to debate this was before the referendum. It passed by a very narrow margin, but it passed.
The Republican Town Committee worked hard last fall to get people elected to the BOF and BOE who will work to control costs. The members of the WPCA are appointed and they act as individuals. I do not pull their strings. Their response to the public is often influenced by their own frustrations over just how much they can do. They were handed a poorly planned and poorly budgeted project and have had their hands tied through much of it.
And you say I have no right to voice my opinion? Well then you have no right to say that I should help to pay for your sewer use. Your attitude is exactly what helps to turn others off and works against your attempt to gain sympathy for your position.
As you said, it was voted into place through a referendum. The Town did not impose it on the taxpayers, the taxpayers voted for it. I do not know what the break down was between those inside or outside of the district or who voted yes or no on the referendum, but it was a vote and more people said yes than no. Besides, the sewer district changed a lot since the referendum when there were a lot more residents in the proposed district, but the fact is that this was not forced on the taxpayers. I agree that the sales pitch focused on the lake and the need by the school but failed to discuss other factors such as the needs of the business community. It was a vote that passed by a small margin. In hindsight the time to pass this project was back in the 1970s when the cost to the Town would have been a fraction of what it is today and when State funding would have been much, much higher. But that opportunity was missed.
Yes, the entire town got to decide what happens to the finances and homes of a smaller group of people, without equally sharing in the burden of that decision. What other project can you say that about? Its completely unfair. You may say, “Yeah, but you get the sewer in return.” I don’t want the sewer. Many don’t want it.
How would you like it if the entire town passed an ordinance that you must replace your septic system every 10 years, even though it works fine? It’s going to cost you $15,000 too, and you have to pay for it now, split up over those years, at $1,500 annually. The rest of the taxpayers will chip in at whatever rate they decide depending on the budget they pass every year.
Now, just stop and think about that Ken. Would you be arguing that you were getting a fair shake? $1,500 a year (minimum – could increase every year) to replace something that’s working fine, on top of your already ridiculously high property taxes. Oh, and yeah — you’ve got to pay the part the rest of the taxpayers are going to pay as well.
I would never vote for such an ordinance. If you wanted to fight such a thing and I led the democrats or republicans, I’d join you in fighting such unfairness if it ever passed.
That is exactly what the sewer is, to us. We’re being forced to do something we don’t want to do, and pay for it disproportionately, solely for the luxury of not having to worry about a new septic system (which is completely absurd as these pumps fail in the 7-15 year time period, and after 20 it’s all on the homeowner to replace)? It’s ridiculous, unfair, and unnecessary.
I tried very hard this past summer to bring this financing issue back to the entire town, this time providing them with the realities of the project. But, the king decided to squash that.
Why? What is he so afraid of? That his mismanagement becomes publicly exposed even further? That the people might actually say, “Yeah, this is unfair. The town should be paying more.”
Honestly, Ken — what does Bill Black care how the sewer is funded, as long as it is funded?
The answer is, that he doesn’t. What he -does- care about is the people of this town being allowed to actually act as the legislative body in any capacity other than at the guided and controlled town meeting (no discussion, no comments on the last go around, if you recall.) That’s why Black squashed my petition.
He refuses to relinquish any control to the people and never will. I seriously hope we get someone in there next term who is not so power hungry and stubborn.
One frustrating aspect about this is that the people of Marlborough imposed it on themselves, including votes from within the sewer district. There is no way to determine exactly how the vote was comprised, but if about 40 people had voted differently we would not have a sewer system today. I would have to believe that there were that many people in the sewer district, especially since at the time of the vote it was much larger, who could have voted NO or who did not vote at all and could have opposed the project. So no, I do not believe that you can solely blame those outside the district for imposing this on those inside the district. I bet there were those within the proposed district who either supported it through a YES vote or in essence supported it through complacency.
And if you feel that Bill needs to do something differently why not put some pressure on the Democratic Town Committee? That is the party in control on the bOS.
You want me to approach the DTC to complain about Black — for real? What good would that do, Ken? What is Fischer going to do to make Black do anything differently? I assume Fischer cares even less about the financial impact on the sewer district residents than Black does. I’ve never read or heard him say anything about it.
Lastly, I’m tired of debating this with you. It’s pointless, so I’ll just concede.
Yes, it’s all the fault of the people in the sewer district. We brought this all on ourselves by believing the bullshit the town shoveled at us. The people outside the district are smarter than us and didn’t believe any of it. They all voted against it, or stayed home, and the people in the district voted it in 100%. The rest of you shouldn’t have to pay a single dime for this town betterment project (while we pay equally for every other service and project in town — even the ones we don’t or can’t use.) It’s completely fair just like it is.
In short, Marlborough is awesome and we are ridiculous for complaining about being forced to pay $1,200 – $1,500 more than the other townspeople, to go poop in the same town, or fear losing our homes. We’re just a bunch of idiotic whack jobs. Okay?
Hopefully, our fellow idiotic whack jobs who own Sadler’s and the Tavern will be able to stay afloat with their 16 and 32 EDUs, respectively, which works out to be an additional $19,200 to $38,400 a year, without charging $100 a plate.
Perhaps you should have waited a bit longer before responding. Please read my comments above. Do you really feel that the sarcasm helps your cause? OK, you win. Good luck with your rebellion. I will be waiting to listen for the “flush” heard round the world! When I hear that I will know that the revolution has started and that the sewer district “minute men” (and women) are charging the enemy with plungers in hand.
PS: I do not believe that Shawn Fisher is the Chairman of the DTC anymore.
What do you feel your postings on this blog help do, Ken? I mean, for what exactly are you fighting? Do you want the sewer people to pay more than you? Congratulations! You’ve won by default, so you can stop telling us all (who are getting stuck with a $1,200 – $1,500 bill to do exactly what you do for $0) how fair it is that we should pay more.
So, yes, I really feel sarcasm helps “my cause”, tremendously. It’s who I am, and that’s how I write, and if you don’t care for it you should remember that nobody’s forcing you to visit this site and read my ramblings. For those who do like it, the sarcasm helps point out that it’s really not “my cause” at all. The sarcasm also gets talk going around town (“Did you read what he wrote?!”). That draws attention to the fact that these are all town issues that affect everyone to some degree. Issues with veterans, sewers, town employees, budgets, personal grudges, backroom politics, and a BOS out of touch with their fellow residents really do affect people other than just me.
Lastly, I’m not leading anyone or rebelling against anything, Ken. As Peter Hughes has eloquently stated on soooo many occasions, “If you don’t want to connect, don’t.” So, I’m not connecting. Everybody else can do whatever they want.
What am I trying to do? The answer is simple…have an open discussion. If the purpose of this blog is to simply allow people in the district to vent then that is fine. If they want to toss thoughts back and forth with EVERYONE (both inside and outside the district) then that would be better, but I keep getting the feeling that is not the case. Whether you like it or not, I don’t see the costs being spread out over the populace. That is not up to me nor does it appear to be under your control. It is simply the way things are. Yes, the increase in costs over what was proposed is shocking and in many cases devistating to those on fixed incomes.
I expected it to happen, which is why I voted NO to the original referendum. I saw this coming. It is a shame others believed the sales pitch which was propogated by the Board of Selectmen back then. They are no longer around nor are most of those who provided input from Town Hall, with the exception of Peter Hughes. Now we are left with this.
I am NOT your enemy in this!
And I am not yours, either. The problem is that we’re not talking anything new, Ken. This is all old, rehashed stuff. What’s left to discuss on all of this?
But, okay, lets open the discussion… which I guess means me agreeing with your points.
We all agree the project is not what it was. We all agree the costs are high, and higher than what they were supposed to be. We all agree it’s been mishandled and mismanaged. We all agree you didn’t vote for it. We all agree hindsight is 20/20.
I came into this late and based my decisions on a document that nobody in this town can produce (even though a lot of us remember reading it) stating that connection was optional. When Hughes changed that tune, and failed to produce that document, I got involved.
I state that our jackass first selectman made sure the we didn’t have a chance to rectify any of this via our town meeting process, pissing away $15,500 of our tax dollars in the process. He did so purposefully, and with willful intent to block the townspeople from asserting their power as the legislative body of the town.
I never said you were my enemy, but I do say that you don’t agree with the fundamental financing principle I’ve been pushing, and constantly bring up how much this is going to cost people outside the district.
Well, I don’t care how much it costs you, if it costs you less than I. Why? Because I and the other district residents will also be paying that amount as well! You consistently ignore that. If Black wants to deduct that mill rate increase off the sewer bill, then maybe that’s some small victory – but it won’t happen, ever.
Further, Hughes has already said on repeated occasions that the “town gets paid back their portion”, meaning that part of the Operations & Maintenance budget (which is financed from the usage fees that you don’t pay) is surely going to include a repay into the town coffers.
The whole thing is so ridiculously absurd that I have difficulty fathoming how anybody can defend something so completely unfair. All construction and design costs should be dumped into the budget, and taxes raised to pay it. Users should pay a usage charge that non-users don’t. Plain and simple.
And, on that note, I’m officially finished with this open discussion. These issues have been discussed repeatedly, ad nauseam. Black, Hughes, Murray, et. al aren’t going to do anything based on what the people want, at this point in the project.
I’m just not going to connect, and if the rest of you don’t want to, then don’t. If they force you, then make sure you write on your discharge permit application that you intend on flushing fats, oils, grease, whole blood, hair, wood shavings, and everything else you’re not supposed to flush. That way, if they issue you a permit and force you to connect, you can show the lunacy of the WPCA to a judge, and maybe then somebody from the state might get off their asses and get involved.
But, I’m done, so feel free to get in the last word.
I am more in agreement with you about the sewer project than you would ever think. I have never been pleased by the reduced scope and especially with the elimination of the run to the Business Park.
But the likelihood that the vast majority of those outside the sewer district will benevolently agree to pick up more of the tab for those inside the district is simply not going to happen.
PS2: The comments I posted that I am referring to are under “WPCA Approves Regulations / Public Hearing on Feb. 17th”
Ken how is the school available for everyone to use? Especially if they do nto have kids? If you don;t want to pay for something. THNE DON’T VOTE FOR IT, and also if people have the right to vote for something that will impact a select few, then maybe only that select few should be allowed to vote? especially given the reasons to vote were WAY missleading oh its for you precious lake don;t you want it clean? ha ha ha ha, as if our town planner doesn;t have tioes to teh chatham health district and their new revenue? I mean Rowland got that tupe of job in waterbury? Is it possible such places could be corrupt and serving side agendas liek raising the value of farleys land? You know where Jones Hollow got reocated to line up directly across from land? ot to mention a new sewer option?
Plus Ken this sewer wil help your leaders town betterment visions !!! you know these plans that wil reduce your taxes. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Ken how was the time to fight it, back then to you/ When hey still don;t have the final costs in affect, the now estimates grossly resemble what was said before the vote process? AMONG many other factors. And the WPCA was “handed this mess in a poor fashion” Where was the republican party when it was time to hand them a well thought out PLAN project and PRICING?
And when it BARELY got voted in Ken, why was Mt Hughes allowed to continually maipulate teh perception of the job, until he got what he wanted whcih looks liek an agemda to serve these economic growth DILLUSIONAL pipe dreams, the sewer would enable?
And we continued to RE vote until the outcome was what TOWN hall wanted after MANIPULATING the peoples views ENOUGH?
But that’s OK $10k a year in taxes is nothing on top of your federal taxes. etc.
Taxes in for living in this town (state federal and local) is close to more than half the national average income. Might as well add a hefty sewer bill on it also, becuase other people don;t have access to it???? And those in the idstrict do. Although even you admit it was handed to the WPCA poorly. yeah so what we can pay for all that poor miss management right?????
Because it “entitles us” to the right to use it, and not you?
And despite the WPCA having certain limitations. They sure do seem to serve there own Agenda more often than not, while smurking at residents complaints, or NOT ANSWERING their many questions etc. But that’s Ok we should expect to take whatver decisions they hand us, becuase you can use the school , bu tnot our septic system.
Which is true becuase I doubt yuo will be invited over my hose for pie any time soon.
WHy is the WPCA imposing zoning rules on those who wont assimilate and comply with their demands? What does building a shed have to do with flushing your toilette?
ONe of many POOR practices they WISH TO DICTATE on the people to serve their own agenda and needs?????????????? But that’s OK you wont be using it so we shoudl apy whatever they decide AFTER the fact becuase the time to fight it was back then.
Even though itw as voted down and manipulated by one person or view until it passed? To bad they can use whatever facts and figures they want to misslead the people and then change ti as time goes on, and you have teh views you have because you are off teh hook !!
Ken: “But the likelihood that the vast majority of those outside the sewer district will benevolently agree to pick up more of the tab for those inside the district is simply not going to happen.”
Ken, that’s the crux of the matter. The residents in Phase 1 of the sewer district aren’t looking for charity or benovolence from residents outside of the sewer district or from the WPCA. They’re asking that ALL residents and the WPCA take a relook at today’s sewer project as one that will benefit the entire community (as do the school, library, senior center, lake, town offices, town center, etc.) and realize that the cost burden shouldn’t rest on the shoulders of the few for the benefit of the many. It’s a paradigm shift in the way this project has been viewed by many for a long time.
And your view perpetuates the very “Us versus Them” mentality for which you criticize others.
Looking to have an open dialogue. It’s never too late to do the right thing.
Maybe we should look at it as a burden brought on us all, by a missrepresentaion of the initial need to begin with? (the fact our lake has been clean all along and if a septic did fail it could be fixed) The fact that the costs worked out to be WAY more than fortold, and the number of users turned out to be a lot less than voted on and fortold. Perhaps we should right some zoning laws that whoever fails to pay for our former selectmens and current planners mistakes in this project equally, will be denied permits to build sheds? Perhaps it should be viewed as what it really is? A town detrimant project costing folks needlessly, in order to serve a few of our leaders pipe dreams? And we all pay for those mistakes made by our leaders, that were voted in by all the people or mistales made by those hired by the leaders we ALL voted in?
After all they can come up with ideas to penalize us for not connecting, from preventing us to build sheds for not utilizing a service we do not need?
And even if you qualify for the 5 year exempt status, you still can’t add a shed if you did not connect?
And if and when you do connect 20 or 30 years down the road you will have to pay the full boat of the debt retirement anyway? Even though those who had vacant land possibly connecting 20 tp 30 years from now will be off the hook frp that debt retirement? yet neiher of them utilized it for the 20 years of the debt retirement incurment? One has to still pay becuase they decided not to connect back when they could have???
NON SENSE UNJUST self serving practices. Which is the scary part, it shows the MINDSET of the people running the project!!!!!!!!!!
Where is the republican party or COMMON sense to argue these and many other BAD PRACTICES AND POOR management that burdens the people needlessly? Where is the penalty for portrayong the project at a certain scope and cost when it is time to gain votes, and then grossly representing that when it is built.
I know how about the planner has not job to report to? And I wont build a shed !!
Ken… my point is this…all you do is ramble on and on about the sewer. You don’t offer any suggestions nor do you offer any assistance to the people in the sewer district. I am not interested in your rhetoric nor am I interested in your opinions. In reading your response, you wouldn’t intervene because the majority of the taxpayers live outside the sewer district? Spoken like a true politician. Where can you get the most votes, right Ken?
So you have to pay for the sewer too? I feel for you Ken I really do. Are you going to have to pay as much as I have to? Well, until you do I think you should keep your opinions to yourself.
If you feel that strongly, why don’t you share your opinions with Jack Murray? Oh wait Ken…you have another problem. If you ask Jack Murray a question about the sewer project he will hurl insults at you. He doesn’t like to be questioned about the sewer project. He doesn’t like questions because that will reveal how little he actually knows about the process. Maybe you’re better off speaking with Peter Hughes because that is the person Jack would direct your questions/comments to anyway. The Chairman of the WPCA knows less than the Town Planner about the sewer project. How sad is that? Sure, you can attend the WPCA meetings but just keep your mouth shut and your wallet wide open so the WPCA can stick their hand in your wallet anytime they want.
So the RTC worked hard last fall.Well where were you and the RTC seven years ago? If you feel this strongly why haven’t you been more active in voicing your opinion against the sewer project. You’ve had seven years to fight the sewer project and you wait until last fall to do somehting about it? Huh??????
I asked for your help to intervene in the sewer project about 4 or 5 months ago and you out right refused stating the sewer should not be used as a political tool. But isn’t that what your doing on this blog Ken? Using the sewer project as a political tool.. here … wait… let me quote you … “This project was initiated under a Democtrat First Selectman…”
Blah, blah, blah, blah ….
Perfectly stated.
Ken … my attitude is exactly what helps to turn others off and works against my attempt to gain sympathy for my position?
I don’t really care what you or anyone else in this town thinks of my attitude. This town out right lied to me and stated the sewer was not going to be installed on my street. Based on their assertions I bought my house. One month after I closed on my house…here comes the sewer. When I discussed this with Peter Hughes he shrugged his shoulders and walked away from me. This is the attitude I’ve been dealing with since I moved to this backwards town. Have you ever seen the movie Deliverence? The resemblance to Marlborough is just uncanny isn’t it?
I attended most if not all the sewer meetings. I understand the frustration but that does not condone Jack Murray’s belligerent behavior towards the sewer district residence simply because they are asking questions about a project that will effect their property and bank accounts.
Moreover…I think it inappropriate for the WPCA to quote Larry the Cable Guy at their meetings. Professionalism at its best……
I realize you and Jack and buddies..but come on Ken…how much longer are you going to defend him and his actions? It’s still the good ole boy network..right Ken???
You can sign me up for that club. I’ll expand it to, “…this planet thinks of my attitude.”
And, that is exactly why this issue should be of concern to all residents in town, not just people in the sewer district. That kind of response is intolerable and I’m sure King Bill is patting Hughes on the back all the while. What happens when the next issue severely affects the pocketbooks of everyone in town? More shrugging and “Jesus” and “good question” responses, and wasted tax dollars on legal opinions, presumably.
Why? LOL! [/sarcasm off] Yes, truly absurd. People are making important decisions that affect others financial condition with a mindset of “get ‘er done”? Great.
Apparently, we’re still a ways off from the “affluent suburban utopia”, or whatever that nonsense is on the EDC’s site.